RockOm July 2008 Featured Article
Futureman (Roy Wooten) is known for his work with the multi-Grammy award winning Bela Fleck and the Flecktones as well as his recent project, "The Black Mozart Ensemble." He is a self-professed "inventor, scientist, musician, and composer" and is the mind behind two electronic instruments: the drumitar and the RoyEl. RockOm's Trevor Harden recently met up with Futureman in an apropos ex-Sunday School room within the Freedom Center - an old church building that has been converted into a performance space - in Rock Hill, SC.
RockOm: Can you speak about your background growing up in Virginia? Did you have a spiritual family? Did you do the religious church-going thing?
Futureman: Yeah, it was a really religious place. My mom and her mom and grandma were really centered around the church. For me, it wasn't so much one particular religion. Basically how many ways can you say "Do the right thing"? If a cow is stuck in the ditch on a Sunday but I'm not supposed to work on Sunday, do I remain inactive? What's the right thing? Stick to regime or what the right thing is in the moment? As a system of thinking and of character building, [religion] is really good. I remember when we were little kids our mom would read stories that carry messages and one of them was King Solomon. One of the angels told him he could get whatever he asked and he asked for Wisdom, not money. If you're wise, you know how to make money. Reading those kind of stories, it becomes aware these are axioms. When you put that into your art, it opens your mind.
RO: So you think those early stories helped influence who you are and influenced your art?
F: Yes, it encouraged me to dig deep. Like Miles Davis said, "What is the meaning of that note? How do I feel about that note?" As people grow up, maybe Led Zepplin hit them really hard, or something else hits them - maybe that's their thing. They respond to a different kind of music. Maybe jazz is not your particular cup of tea. But if you're a movie maker, you want to tap into all of that. Maybe in this scene I need a walking bass. Or right here i just need that sizzle cymbal. There are different aspects of yourself which are like a kaleidoscope. This gets into the whole thing of knowing yourself. There are so many aspects of who you are and as you get to know yourself, the art can help bring it out.
RO: One of your pieces with the Black Mozart Ensemble is East-meets-West: Indian vocals paired with Amazing Grace. What was your inspiration for that particular song?
F: The inspiration is the project that I'm working on right now, going back to the 1700s all the way up to 2050. We're looking at this guy, Joesph Boulogne de St. George, who is known as the Black Mozart; a great man and a musical hero but he's been lost to history due to the times. When we see the movies of Mozart it seems like everything's fine at the ball, but outside the ballroom is the height of the world's slave trade. You have a lot of mixed-race kids who were being born as a result of these unions between plantation owners and slaves. A lot of times history is not looking at that but here's one who made a great impact in classical music. We don't know about his story because when Napoleon reinstituted the slave codes he banned [St. George's] music and even banned his name, so that even to this day he's in the blind spot. His story is one of the greatest stories never told. But I'm looking at this brother and he's wearing my stuff. He's got my tri-cornered hat, I was like "What's this?" He's wearing all my stuff. Who's this cat wearing my stuff? So I wanted to find out what his story was about.
RO: ...so you did a little homework...
F: Yeah, looking into his story he may have been a Futureman type-of-guy in his time because he was questioning the order of the day and challenging the status quo. He was not allowed to conduct or lead any orchestra at the time. But he created something larger than ever before. He influenced Mozart. He created two new styles of music. There's not many people in the history of music that do that - even one new style - the Symphony concertante and the string quartet itself. He was a super-virtuoso only equaled later by Paganini. It's a renaissance kind of thing - looking at the past as it relates to the future.
RO: Tell us about your new instrument, the RoyEl.
F: I created my own piano which is an extension of what I'm doing on the Drumitar with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. I knew when I first started if I could learn to play the drums with my hands, it would be hand drumming in a modern sense. Because I had more than two sticks it would get to the complexity of the piano and then I would be able to play the drums like an orchestra. You were saying "How does this influence you?" - all the things I've been into I have infused into my art. I realized that in order to recreate [dynamics electronically] it was very difficult and frustrating because when I'm playing the drums I can just hit it. But here you gotta get the samples and get them to imitate the real world. It got me to understand the real world a little bit better. It got me to think that when I'm going from a soft sound to a loud sound it's not only getting louder, it's also getting brighter. Down low it's real dark, but louder there's a higher tint to it; there's a whole flowering going on. I got so intimate with the dynamics that now when I got to this piano thing, I can assign different notes on each key according to how hard I hit it. On every key I've got four different notes. I know where those four notes are and I can pull them out.
RO: And be expressive.
F: Yes, be expressive according to the groove. It really has a melodic slope to it that starts pulling the melody out depending on the four notes that I choose. Automatically it creates a graph. It already has a slope to it. Depending on how I lay it out, there's a composition already happening before I play anything. So it's a lattice work; it's like a chessboard where you choose the notes laterally, left-to-right but also by how hard I hit it. It's like Spock in Star Trek - the King's 3-level chess. And it's not so much intellect as it is you're feeling the flow of what you're hitting. I'm literally using piano, soft, and forte, loud, to hit different notes. Boom these chords just pop out; my music just pops out like a baby being born. I composed it, but it's like having a baby.
RO: Some people talk about composing coming from beyond yourself. Do you feel that to be true?
F: Yes. I create this complex latticework and it seems like there's a higher mind that really understands it. When I go on [the RoyEl], it works through my understanding of groove but then it's like - WOAH! There's a line and counterpoint popping out that is cohesive. All I did was just ran the tape because I saw something was working. When I was deciding the notes and the layout, it was all like sacred geometry. So even on the splits on the notes, I just split like nature splits. Like your cells split. A cell has one split - boom - it goes to two, which doubles to four. Four doubles to eight. Eight doubles to sixteen. When you take Pythagorean numerology or Vedic mathematics where you take a big number and reduce it down to one, the numbers have nine gears. We have two numbers like 32, 3 and 2 makes 5. 11 would be 1 and 1 makes 2 - so that you can always see the representation of that number as one digit. When we do that we begin to see the forest for the trees. So we take doubling. One doubles to 2, doubles to 4, doubles to 8, doubles to 16 which we can see is 7 (1+6). 16 doubles to 32 which we can see is 5 (3+2) and that's the end. It just starts that all over again. 32 doubles to 64, which is 10, which is 1 (1+0). You're back to 1 again. It starts all over. 64 doubles to 128, you add them together and reduce them. 8+1+2=11 which would reduce to 2. That's your next two. 128 doubles to 256 - true middle C - which is 2+5+6=13 which reduces to 4. There's your next 4. It's going 1, 2, 4... and the next one is going to be 8, then 7 and 5 all over. It keeps repeating over and over. So on the splits on my keyboards, I was doubling like that: root, 2nd, 4th, octave. Logically it seems that nature or a higher mind can work with that. It's not even like I knew what I was doing so much, I was just playing on it and all of this information was coming through. I feel like it's some sort of abacus I created or a Ouija board or something. It's like I was able to have a baby. The baby had a heartbeat like mine but do I know how to make it? Not necessarily but I was part of the process. That's spirituality in a sense.
Spiritual has to do with spirals. Spiraling. Spinning. What goes around comes around. You look at the bass clef, it's the same shape as you ear. It's the same shape as the nautilus. It's the same shape as an ocean wave. That's the golden ratio! The bass clef is a symbol of the golden ratio. No one ever says that, but that's what it it is. Put two of them together and you get a heart shape. It has something to do with spiraling. If we went further on, you spiral down and out. But you can take a cross section of it and spin it around. I've seen a guy do it. [Makes shape with hand] Here's the cursive a, b, c, d, e - the whole greek alphabet you can get from that one shape. Check that out! That's E Pluribus Unum, you get many out of one principle. I don't believe it's an accident that we see these powerful symbols on the music staff and all the music flows out of it. To follow that even further, we turn that upside down, draw a line through it and come back, that's how I see the treble clef. The treble clef almost looks like the dollar sign and it seems like the line is flat but no, that's the golden ratio. The golden ratio is a spiral - so this is actually showing you a toroid. It's like an 8 almost. It's showing you - "as above" - it comes back in on itself - "so below." That line is orienting you through that golden ratio. Then it doesn't just keep going, it comes back in on itself. That's toroid - "as above, so below." If you take two Pepsi bottles tied together, the vortex spins: black hole spitting out to a white hole. The key is that nozzle in the middle. This is deeply spiritual. "As above, so below," but the connection [in the middle] is the thing.
Marko Rodin says that if you reduce numbers down to one digit, they tell a story. It's a 9 part story for every number. 0's story is always 0. 1's story when you run the multiplication story is always single digits - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. 11 reduces to 2, 12 is 3 all over again, 13 is 4. It's going to always do that, even though the numbers get big. But two does something different. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 (which is 1), 12 (which is 3), 14 (which is 5). If we step back and look at what it's doing, it's going up the even numbers and then up the odd numbers. And what is 2? Duality. It's yin and yang. Up the even numbers, up the odd numbers. Now if you remember that forumla you can start to see the rest. 0 is always resolving to 0. Now when we get to the end of the number spectrum, 9 is acting like 0 because it's always resolving to itself. 9x1 is 9. 9x2 is 18, 1+8=9. 9x3=27, 2+7 is 9. 9x4=36, 9x5=45, 9x6=54, 9x7=63, 9x8=72. It's always resolving to itself. The numbers are mirroring each other but they're doing them backwards. It's the toroid again - "As above, so below." 3 just always goes 3, 6, 9, 3, 6, 9. 6 goes back the other way starting with 6 - 6, 3, 9, 6, 3, 9 going the other way. It's the middle where the crossover is...I'm going to do it with 5. 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30. It's hard to see it but if you play piano, think of 5 as the 5th. 5, 10 (1+0=1), 15 (1+5=6), 20 (2+0=2) or 5-1-6-2-7-3-6-4-5-1-6-2-7-3-8-4-9-5-1... Four goes the other way. 4x1=4, 4x2=8, 4x3=12 which is 3 (1+2). So it goes 4, 8, 3, 6... 5 is going one way, 4 is going the other. In the middle, there's the cross. I got this from a guy named Marco Rodin. He says that numbers are showing you the order of things even though they get bigger. Vedic mathematics are based on this, Pythagorean also.
I'm saying all this to say that when you talk about music and spirituality, I found out that St. George, Bach, and Mozart (who joined later) belonged to a Pythagorean society. I didn't know this! I was just being nerdy! When I start playing those numbers like that as pitches - that sounds like Bach! It sounds perfect, because it's processional. Bach and [these composers] belonged to this Pythagorean society to study a Pythagorean philosophy. Those that belonged to the society had their portrait done and each of them brought something. What Bach brought was the art of the fugue. The secret of the art of the fugue is that it's perfect music. A lot of time in Bach's music he wouldn't tell you where the beginning was or the end, it was just perfect music. But Pythagorean thought, which is looking at numbers like this, reveals their essence and their story. See this is again what I was talking about at the beginning of this article. I always knew growing up that 1 was different than 2. The teacher said, "No, 2 is just two 1's, " but I just showed you 1 as a symbol that has a hologram that always goes up single digit. It's pattern is different than 2. Two goes up the even numbers then up the odd numbers. Three goes up in 3s. 4 goes up bling, bling, bling, 5 goes bloom, bloom, bloom. When you go to 6 it does the opposite of 3, 7 does the opposite of 2. 2 goes up the even numbers, up the odd numbers. 7 comes down the odd number, down the even numbers. 7x1=7, 7x2=14 and there's your 5 (1+4). You can guess that the next one's going to be 3. 7x3=21, 21 is 3 (2+1). 7x4=28, there's your 1 (8+2=10, 1+0=1). So it goes 7-5-3-1, the next one is going to be an even number. 7x5=35, there's your 8 (3+5). So now that you know the themes, you can step back and use Vedic mathematics where you just know it. That's how these guys in Indian mathematics can do this and beat the computer. It's because even though the numbers get big, they're following a...
RO: ...larger pattern...
F: A larger pattern. This to me is spiritual.
In August we continue with Part 2 of RockOm's exclusive interview with Futureman. In the next segment, Futureman touches on creating matter from frequencies, the properties of Beauty, and the Big Bang as the "Big Orgasm." You don't want to miss this...
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Article edited by Andrew Hoogheem.