RockOm

RockOm: Do you think that what we define as beautiful music relates to these ratios and proportions?

F: Ya and the reason why is because when you look at these numbers, there's underlying order. The Fibonacci series is this number 1 and this number makes 2. Now 2 and 1 makes 3. 3 and 2 makes 5. 5 and 3 makes 8. And it keeps growing like that. When you get enough numbers in and you divide that number next to its next larger number, you're going to start getting a division. It's going to hit 1.618 which is the Golden Ratio and it locks right there. All the numbers from there on out divide into the next number 1.618 times. The numbers and the fractions change a little bit, but 1.618 locks. So there's something significant about the Golden Ratio, the Golden Rule. The scriptures talk about, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Universe?" There's something to this. Our credit cards use these proportions because our eyes recognize this order (1 by 1.618). Movie screens are 1 to 1.618 because there's something inherently right about it. It's so right that when you put a lot of them together, you create a beautiful face. Now this guy showed me deformed faces before and when he finished with them and they were beautiful! A lot of people from California were coming to him to be models - not to fix deformities...just to "make me beautiful." The point is that what we love as beauty is something we inherently recognize - a certain kind of order that's happening. Going back to the snail; Every little snail has this spiral on it - it's just like the Milky Way and every single galaxy spins in the same way. What I'm saying is that you can apply that. If I did a lecture about it, I would like to take Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters . The mothership comes down, the mathmeticians were all kicking it and at the end of the day they've got a keyboard - that is already implying frequency theory, string theory. The mothership is locking up on tuning. When you hit the golden ratio [sings the overtone series], I would just reorchestrate it using Golden Ratio pitches because that would be really true. There's no intelligent life form that would not understand this pitch, 1 to 1.618, and there's only so many you can hear. So what I've been doing with Dr. Kirby is I've been taking that as a framework and then dividing the framework up to hear the in-betweens. I divide the framework into 5 pitches and that creates pentades. Do it again, divide it into 10. It's opening like a nautilus shell. Those pitches when you hear them are chromatic scales that are not the chromatic scale on the piano.

RO: And that's the tonality that you're incorporating into your new piano?

F: That's Futureman stuff, now! And this is spiritual. It's like advanced knowledge. It's like King Solomon, you think you see but you've got to look indirectly. Here's spiritual: Truth is like a conundrum. Your cells: you've got one and then--boop--there's two. The question is, "Grasshopper, is that division or is that multiplication? And if you can answer that correctly, then you may leave." Truth is like a paradox because the most correct answer is BOTH. If it's both, that's what all the spiritual texts say in different ways, "to divide is to multiply." To divide is like to give. To give is to receive. That's what it says in a philosophical way. That's the tithing principle, but tithing is more than just giving to the church. The giving currency flows - it invokes this spiritual creation principle in the universe. That's why even if you don't believe in tithing, if you do it [you'll see the return]. I'm saying that philosophically there's a business principle that ties back to the consumer. Right now the only models that do that are network marketing where I tell someone about something and the company recognizes my word-of-mouth and rewards me economically. You're going to see the Sam's Club of the future [acting like this:] If I bring 50 people to Sam's Club I'm going to get a piece of the economy that comes. That's the business model of the future. That gives me an incentive to tell all my friends! You can buy everything there, we're not going nowhere else! That gets into Einstein's principle, where Einstein says that the 8th Wonder of the World is Compound Interest. It's related to tithing. We see tithing on one level right now, but it's multiplexed. Right now the church says tithe this week, but business can tithe back. Take Facebook, you've got a billionaire at the top. But they can count everybody you bring in, they see all your friends. He's getting at least $10 per head for advertisements. What if he tithed a little bit back to everyone he brought. That's the Facebook of the future! Tithing back and that gives incentives to bring more of your friends.

We're looking at natural principles. I took tithing as reinterpreted from cell division. The cell divided but it was multiplied; It divided into a thousand cells. If I take a card and cut it into two, you've got two pieces but you've also got two halves. When you take 1 and divide it by 1/2, in mathematics you flip it over and do 1 times 2, you get the whole number 2. My brother Joseph was always like, "What's up with that?" That's the division you learn in school. I take 1 divided by 1/2 and you multiply 2/1 equals a whole number two. What is that? A cell does divide into two and they're two wholes. It may be small at first, but it's a growing principle. They double again, now four wholes. That's what you do in math, 1 divided by 1/4 you flip it over and multiply it - already that's a conundrum right there. Mathematics is the universal language, a universal principle. The church is saying the best that they know [regarding Tithing], but I'm saying that as a business principle you can tithe back. We have the technology now. Every activity you do on my site, I know. Every person you bring, I know. Therefore, I can split a penny with you! That's a different business model! You have some networking business models doing this that are racing out of the block because of this different thing. Across the board, there's no reason why Sam's Club couldn't do that. I bring 50 people there, right now I don't get anything.

RO: Do you see we'll see that change?

F: Man, there's someone that might hear this... it's young people that see things in a different way. They understand computers and say "we don't have to do business they way we did in the 1900s." The world is global now. I can put my debit card in a machine anywhere around the world and in less that 30 seconds, it's showing me my account. Just like that! That's how connected we are. We have the technology now to do this. I've talked about this with Cisco Systems. These are business principles but they're spiritual principles too. Now everyone's on the advertising model with sites like Facebook. They're free [to use], which is cool, but for every person that comes on there [Facebook] is getting advertising dollars. There's no reason why the business principle can't tithe that.

Truth is like polyphony, like a kaleidoscope. I'm going to use the Doppler Effect as a parable. I'm in a car I honk my horn. You stand on the porch. When I drive by I honk my horn and you say, "Yo, yo, yo! How did you get your horn to bend like that?" I'm like, "My horn didn't bend!" We argue and that can be like two religions. You can even have a tape from where you were and it bends on your tape. I've got a tape in my car and it doesn't bend on mine. So you've got two truths depending on where you're standing. This is a metaphor that truth can be simultaneous. You can both go to a judge and produce tapes at that instant and both of you are right. That's a parable because if there's two, maybe there can be four. Depending on where you are is what you see going on. That's a powerful metaphor for the polyphony of things. If you step back, depending on where you are is the effect that you get. Just knowing that can help ease religion sometimes. They say, "This is true, therefore I don't even want to hear what you've got." You can't really take that attitude. Because if you can take that attitude, well, my language works. English works, but so does Japanese.

RO: That's completely what we're trying to do with RockOm.

F: Right, and so with that it creates a tolerance because creativity is so creative it can do it many different ways. There's probably a million ways to say "the." You can become tolerant and see different systems. Maybe with this system it opens up this aspect. When I look at it like that, I think the English language, like Francis Bacon said, has symmetries and puzzles. LOVE, turn that around it has the word EVOL. It's trying to say EVOLVE. If you the word EVOLVE it's almost a palindrome of the word LOVE. LIVE. Opposite, EVIL. See the puzzles going on in the words? God works in the mystery, but mystery is the word 'symmetry' juxtaposed. Wherever the word MYSTERY goes, SYMMETRY will fit. What goes around, comes around. You reap, sow. You do bad, get it back later. It's like the symmetry of good and evil. Why would something that's all good create evil? There's a balance to it. You're not going to have a good story about it. You have to have a chaos principle in order to have freedom express itself freely. So in order to become a virtuoso on the skateboard you've got to scrape your knees up. The guy who's going to be good is going to bust his head a couple of times.

RO: I noticed it recently while watching my daughter's videos and I thought, "Boy, without a bad guy these stories would really suck."

F: Right! Really, it's like this: I think the mystery has to do with balance. If I keep eating, now it's gluttony. All gluttony is is good stuff in the red. It's in the red, we've got to bring it back. You've got to find your balance point and not over do it. If you're a parent and you keep doing things for them, you make them weak. You're doing the right thing, but there's a balance point. Let them go and make their mistakes.

The English language is so good for showing these puzzles inside the words. Take stones and tones, there's something relative here. It's getting into frequency and the way you make hard stuff has to do with taking a vibration and create a geometry, take another one and there's another geometry. If you aim them together, after while you're going to be hitting something, like a gyroscope. It's like you're hitting a wall. You run another one this way, and another one this way, and you're running into something. Marco Roden defined the periodic table is a system of frequency orders that are creating different phenomenon. It's alchemical, this is how things can transform into another.

Looking at music on a spiritual level, the scriptures would talk about how Enoch was taken to the higher orders of heaven - there were different levels. They said he was approaching the throne of the creator and surrounding the throne was musicians. What's that about? I have this book called The Music of Man and in it there's a picture of the Mother Mary and the baby Jesus. Surrounding them is all kinds of angels playing instruments: trumpet, harp, drums, french horns. And the baby is leaning over shaking the rattle!

RO: He's in on the band, too!

F: Let's think about that. In the beginning was some kind of frequency. In space you're not going to build a lot with hammer and nails on a creative level. But you start to see frequencies creating stuff and start seeing how light travels as frequencies.

RO: In the beginning was the Word.

F: Right, which WORD is something to us that means sound. Or frequency. In the beginning was Om. Music [is] one of the sciences. Mathematics is a universal language, but music is that language that you could express emotionally. It can express those equations emotionally. Einstein has to explain e=mc2 and if you don't get it, you don't get the gist of it. A musician doesn't have to explain anything. He just plays his stuff, you don't know all the cadences that it's made of, but he can touch you without explaining anything. If you care to later on, you can see where the order came from. But you can just express your theory, you can just deliver it. That's the power of music. The scriptures talk about music taming the savage beast. There's a movie I have called The Weeping Camel . This camel has an albino camel. It's not going to nurse it and when this happens they call on the musicians to come. They're playing the Mongolian harps and violins - and it's all blue sounding. And the camel starts crying and when when it starts crying they bring the baby to it and it starts nursing. That's heavy man! It's the musicians they bring in. Music is like that, it's a spiritual force.

RO: Do you think this power is what it is that brings people together around music, people of different backgrounds and races?

F: I think so. Let's think of the Big Bang as something musical. We think of the Big Bang like chaos, but the Big Bang is like trying to analyze boiling water. Probably if we had the right [tools] we could get some order out of that. But when I say the Big Bang, I think of the Big Orgasm. It's a bang, but an orgasm has another whole connotation to it than dynamite exploding. Orgasm is intimate to all organisms. An orgasm produces organisms that have orgasms. And what does orgasm do? It creates, it's a creative principle. The Big Bang is Spock; the Big Orgasm is Kirk, who's getting closer to the passion behind it. The universe is passionate like that. Why? Because as above, so below. There's an old saying, "To know the ceiling, study the floor." We're the organism in the microcosm/macrocosm. We've got cells that revolve just as the sun revolves around. We say the Big Bang, but what if it's closer to something that happens in you? It's like your breath. It doesn't matter what you believe--be an atheist, that's fine!--it ain't gonna stop the sun from coming up and down. It's not going to stop your next breath. Try to go one minute without it. But it's ok to have your beliefs because we're trying to know ourselves, we're fractured anyway. It has something to do with this ultimate creativity. You've got truth over here, you've got truth over there. Step back and see how they go together.

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Article edited by Andrew Hoogheem.